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And Ron’s perspective on his experiences of living in that house were quite frank and unsparing. MS. TUMULTY: Yeah. It’s certainly–really, the collateral damage to this epic love story of Ronald and Nancy Reagan is the effect it has on the children, because these two people are so closely bound together that there’s really no room for anyone else, including four children, the two that he had with Jane Wyman and the two they had themselves. And you even hear that in Patty’s incredible eulogy at her mother’s funeral, where she said the two of them were just a closed circle, and everyone else just sort of floated around outside of that. So, each of the four children suffers from that in a different way, and as Nancy Reagan herself would acknowledge, she writes at one point, “All I ever wanted was to be a good wife and a good mother, and I guess I succeeded more at one than at the other.” MR. DUFFY: Talk to us a little bit, briefly, if you can, about her role in helping the Reagan White House stop ignoring the problem of AIDS late in the second term. MS. TUMULTY: Well, first of all, we should stipulate that the Reagan administration’s failure to act in the AIDS epidemic will go down in history–it has gone down in history as one of the deepest and most enduring scars on its legacy. But Nancy Reagan does begin earlier than her husband to understand what is going on, in part, because her son Ron, who is dancing with the Joffrey Ballet, is part of the arts world in New York City, and so the two of them start trying to talk to Ronald Reagan and sort of impressing on him what a huge crisis there is building out there. But it really is the view of a lot of the conservatives in the Reagan administration that AIDS is not a health issue, that it is a moral issue, and that homosexuality is evil and that, you know, Pat Buchanan, who would at one point become the communications director in the White House, writes, “Homosexuals have exacted a sin on nature, and now nature is getting its revenge.” At one point, William F. Buckley proposes that people who are infected with AIDS should be tattooed on their arms if they are drug users and on their buttocks if they are gay. I mean, this is the kind of attitude that people had and that they would publicly say. And what I found in my research, which involved digging deep, deep, deep into some of the White House files and talking to people is that it was even worse on the inside. MR. DUFFY: I’m not surprised. Talk to us a little bit. When did Nancy realize for the first time that you can tell that her husband might have Alzheimer’s? MS. TUMULTY: She would always blame it on a fall from a horse a few months after he was out of office, but by 1992, he is beginning to slip in ways. 1993, I have a number of accounts from people who might have known Reagan for decades who talk about running into him and it’s clear he has no idea who they are. But generally, these episodes are brief.Jeep Hawaiian Shirt
He recovers very quickly, but by early 1994, his physician, John Hutton, who was a White House physician, notices just a split-second moment during a speech where Reagan sort of loses his place. Afterwards–it’s a speech in Washington–he goes back to the hotel with the Reagans, and Ronald Reagan walks into the hotel room ahead of everyone else. And he goes, “Wait, wait. I’ve got to stop for a moment. I’m not sure where I am,” and at that point, Nancy Reagan puts her hand on Hutton’s arm and says, “This is happening even at home.” And by late 1994, he will write that very famous handwritten letter where he tells the country that he’s been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s. MR. DUFFY: After Reagan dies–we have just a minute left. After Reagan dies, she spends her final years actually more actively involved in politics than you might have guessed or at least contributing at the margins. A brief memory from that era, Karen? MS. TUMULTY: Well, I think what’s interesting about that era is that once her husband is incapacitated, it falls on Nancy Reagan to protect and guard and shape his legacy because he himself is not going to be able to do it, and that does require her to do some pretty bold things politically but also to build the library and make sure that her husband is remembered in a way that is true to him. And I really do believe that is her final gift to him. MR. DUFFY: Well, you and I could talk about this all day and all night and into the next morning. So, we’ll just have to do that ourselves. MS. TUMULTY: Yes. MR. DUFFY: But our time is up, so thank–we probably will. And thank you for joining us. It’s nice to have Jeep Hawaiian Shirt you on the other side of the microphone. Tomorrow at Washington Post Live, my colleague, Jonathan Capehart, will host our reporters and columnists for First Look at 9:00 a.M., and at noon, Jackie Alemany will interview Senator Roy Blunt of Missouri. Thank you for joining us this afternoon. Thank you, Karen, and have a good day. [End recorded session] ACM Awards Chief Previews Show: More Locations, More Live Audiences, ‘More Fun,’ Same Strict COVID Protocols Click here to read the full article. Sunday night brings the 56th annual Academy of Country Music Awards to CBS, but in a way, it almost feels like the 55th and a half. That’s because it’s only been seven months since the last ACM Awards, which were held in September 2020, delayed five months from their usual April perch. Moreover, last fall’s show was enthusiastically received enough that a number of new wrinkles have been held over, like bringing back Keith Urban in a host role, keeping the show in Nashville instead of the usual Las Vegas location, and using the Opry House, Ryman Auditorium and Bluebird Cafe as primary locations. “There was a little bit of a deja vu feeling as I was pulling into Opryland the other day, and it did feel very funny, like, ‘Gosh, I was just here,’” concedes Academy of Country Music CEO Damon Whiteside with a laugh. “At the same time, though,” he’s quick to add, “it does feel like it’s been a little while since September, just because the world has changed so much in that time. And this show, too, is going to be, I think, quite different from the one in September. Once we decided that we were going to come back to Nashville for a second year, we very deliberately talkedJeep Hawaiian Shirt about how do we make it feel different and not just do a repeat of the September show. People in general out there, our fans, are in a different head space now than they were in the fall. People are getting vaccinated and live music’s going to be coming back this summer. So we really decided that this show was going to be much more fun, bright, positive and upbeat, with more fun songs and moments than what September had. People want to sing along to their favorite artists and they really want comfort food, and I think that’s what we’re going to deliver.”
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